Fix yr eyes on Jesus

I'm beginning to appreciate this journey that I am going through, God meant everything for good. ;) Listened to a Charles Spurgeon audio sermon just now, and he was talking abt how the law brings sin- cos with the law, we realise how sinful we are, and we cannot meet the requirements of the law without God! And hence when we are convicted of our sins, we realise how really sinful we are, and how in need of mercy we are.
In CHC, I've learnt that we are not "worms" but we are children of God, and we walk in righteousness and boldness. The latter is true of cos. But I think that a contrite heart, and the realisation of how in need of God we are, are necessary ingredients of conversion. For only with repentance comes salvation.
During this period of time I can't tell u how often I feel so condemned and unworthy. It may be a natural process when we realise we are sinful in nature. Yups, and it is probably part of the christian journey, of having our prides broken, and asking for God to be merciful.
Afterall, why did Paul say that of all people he was the chief sinner!

The circumstances are not perfect, but we all have to get on with our lives. Thoughts come into our mind like torrents. We have to filter them, protect our mind, and shield it with all our might. Let it be that even in the midst of the storm, we fix our eyes on Jesus. So the storms may take place on the exterior, but the interior is always still & peaceful, cos it has its eyes on Christ.

People may not be perfect, and offenses WILL come, that's what Jesus said. But guess what, anger is satan's bait for us to sin. Not that we cannot be angry, but we must learn daily not to take offenses personally, and learn to release our pain to God.

Just went to Church of our Saviour. There are things that I liked about it, cos I am used to the charismatic kind of worship, as well as the cell group format. ;) There were ofcos, other things that I am unused to. Hence when my friend asked me how I find it, I could only say "okay". The word "okay" to imply many things. One of which is that a church will never be perfect. If u want to find your fair share of offenses, there will be plenty in the church. That is because God is perfect, but the church is not.

Going on this journey has made me realise how impt it is to fix my eyes on Jesus. No matter what happens, or what christians I meet. These can be said to be peripherals. Because nothing on this earth is perfect. I am more and more critical these days, and I get mad at people for their apathy, or practises. But I must say, be angry if I want to, ultimately, it is to fix my eyes on Jesus, and nothing in this world can shake this relationship between u and the Maker.

Most of all, the time taken to resolve conflicts or quarrel with another christian or ruminating over doctrinal issues could sometimes be better utilised by just walking the talk- doing it, serving people, meeting needs, and helping lives. :)

It will take time for us to figure out what we should do, which ministry to serve in, which occupation to take up. Whatever it is just do something! Do not worry about tmr, live each day as it is, being precious. Each day be a blessing to someone. Start something, do something. We may not have our future all mapped out in front of us, but surely opportunities will come as we take each step of our lives. I must believe this. I have to hold on to this.

Dear God, let me fix my eyes on You. No christian is a lone ranger, for U have called us into a Body. Help me, Help us, as a church, to walk right with You. And make me a blessing to those around me. Thank You Lord. Amen.

Nice quote!

"God has richly blessed us financially not so that we can show ourselves to be his children by living above the standards of others, but so that we can show ourselves to be his children by coming down a few rungs on the ladder of affluence and bringing others up a few rungs, that there might be true, from-the-heart equality."

Money, Possessions & Eternity
Randy Alcorn

The other side of the story..

I've been talking so much abt finances and money, and opposing the "prosperity" gospel. But to be fair, I have to talk abt the other side of the story. I'm not really going to be quoting any verses, but these are just some of my thoughts from what I've experienced.

CHC is indeed a very giving church, and I know that in the years where I've been there, when it came to building fund and missions fund, a lot of us gave our very best. Some of us give so much that our bank account only had a few dollars left- trusting that God will honour us back as we give to Him.

In order for ple to give a lot- they must have the faith that God will provide. And I think that ple really do need to know that! To learn to trust in God's provision.

I believe that God works through our faith. I also believe that as we give, He will always provide for us. Though the part that I am uncomfortable is emphasizing on the blessings that we will get if we give. I think emphasizing on what we can receive seems a bit transactional to me- giving so that u can receive. As opposed to, I know God will provide for me even as I give, but most of all, I give because I love Him.

I am also uncomfy with the question "How many of u want to be rich?" Pastors always a link we want to be rich to be a blessing, but sometimes it is so hard to draw the linkage.

Most of all, I think God sees our hearts. Whether we are dumping our money in the offering so that we can be rich (smtimes it seems to be implied that way from the sermons), or whether we really give with the right hearts/attitudes.

I've to let this go..

Hello hello..yr Target?

Yr Forecast?

Attendance is low, can u all try to bring more...?

"Hello...hey check with u something, what is yr average prayer hour?"

A: "Hello...hey, are you going for the prayer meeting?"
B: "Nope, I'm not... I gotto take care of my mum at home."
C: "Er...hmm...try and go la. Have faith. The prayer meeting will be good."

Communication is an art.
If u miss that, it is going to come out as pressure and not love.

Fang says that mature christians/ leaders will know what is the heart of the pastor. It is not for numbers, but it is for souls. For individuals to come to know God.

Question is, when systems are in place, numbers are to be submitted, how can one ensure that he keeps his heart on the right focus?

I failed. It wasn't me at all, to lecture ple for their legitimate reasons for not going for cg/service. I don't have a conviction in my heart that attendance measured a person's spirituality. But then in my heart, when someone told me he couldn't come, naturally I would think.. sigh, attendance dropped.

I started to dislike myself for thinking that way. Its shdn't be that way at all. What are are concerned about and who are u working for, XJ???

In my search for perfection in everything I did, I was angry with myself for a long time. My conscious bugged me. Is this what being a christian is all about?

What makes a man a christian? Is it by his attendance for activities?
Who can judge a man but God.

Leaders are mere facilitators, mere servants of God.
We are nothing. When we begin to think we are something, we are finished.

When we begin to apply man-made traditions on ple, and man-made judgements/rituals to follow, we put bondages on people.

Man-made systems are not perfect, and neither is man. I am ashamed to say, I've done things wrongly. But thank God for the grace to step down, to start all over again. :)

I care a lot about how ple view me, abt how they view my "spiritual condition". That's because I think ple judge others by what they do on the outside. I know I am not perfect, and I try hard to prevent myself from bitterness. I almost try and justify myself and wanna shout it out- I am doing spiritually okay! But what defines spiritually okay anyway?

I have to be true to myself, and I am who I am. There are things I love that others don't. There're preferences I have that make me unique. And this is me.

On the Cross again :)

But who would be the first to comfort? Why, the first to suffer! Who would be the first to speak of the cross with great power and great conviction? (That is, who would be able to speak of the cross with words firmly set in reality?) Who would be the first to declare resurrection? Only one who had died. Who would comfort, except the comforted? Who would heal, except the healed? Who would wield power? None, except those who had been made terribly weak. Who would shield us from legalism and law, except he who had had that beast broken in the depths of his very own nature? Who would pour out his life in long hours of counseling, guidance, direction, except the one who had gained a great deal of counsel, guidance and direction...slowly, painfully, richly...

But why does God permit such suffering to befall his bride?

This suffering produces gold in the lives of those individuals who suffer. That gold, in each life, is then blended into the body of Christ to make the bride what she ought to be.

Careful, Chris, the very thing that you are now rebelling against just might be in perfect harmony with the Lord. What you see and feel so painfully may be the Lord's effort to polish a stone.

Greatly rejoice
Right now you must suffer a little bit.
But these sufferings
These tests of your faith
Are worth a great deal more than gold.
Survive this
And your faith will be proven genuine
And the result will be praise and glory and honor. (1 Pet 1:6-7)

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It has been given to you,
Not only to believe on him,
But also to suffer for his sake (Philippians 1:29)

One day you are going to look back over your life to recall to mind many an incident. I trust that most of what you remember will be the joys. But remembrances of dark sorrows will surely be included. Whichever tips the balance, remember you will never know how much you owe to suffering. You may even be surprised at just how little the rich blessings and joy have contributed to your growth in divine life. Be sure, some of the greatest blessings yr life will ever know, some of the deepest revelation you will ever peer into, some of the most cherished works the Lord will ever do in your life, yes, the things you hold most dear, were but the child of your greatest sorrow!

One day you will make a chance remark to another believer and be very surprised to discover that your remark deeply blesses and enriches his life. On another occasion, with another Christian whose heart is about to break, you will share something that will change his night to die. You will pause, wonder, and then remember where it was you found that word of wisdom, that oil of comfort.

If you could trace the source, you would find that virtually every help you have ever received- whether it has been from the hands of some brother, or from some word in Christian literature, or perhaps from the scripture- was passed on to you from out of sorrow's fiery furnance and from beneath the bludgeoning blows of suffering's hammer.

Sorrow does have its compensation.

We comfort others, With the comfort that came to us (2 Cor 1:5)

Imagine a distraught, perplexed and broken hearted Paul imprisoned in Rome and addressing a church in a city hundreds of miles away. It is a church he has never seen, and this is what he tells them:

You are rejoicing and filled with praise. You are doing well in Colossae. Why? Because I, Paul, here in Rome, Am taking suffering that was actually meant for you. I am taking that suffering into my very own body, and that has freed you. You are not suffering; you are rejoicing. The pain destined for you lies here in Rome And is now in me.

Suffering meant for believers in Colossae was being absorbed in Rome by Paul. He agonized while they gloried.

But even these are not the last of his mind boggling words. He pressed on to say, 'For this, I was made a minister.'

Paul saw himself as one who was to take up part of the sufferings that really belonged to the church. For this purpose- this incredible purpose- he was made minister....

Now I rejoice in my sufferings. They are for your sake. In my body I am doing my part for his body to complete what is not finished of Christ's afflictions. (Col 1:24)
[24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God ]

CHrist did not finish his sufferings while here on earth? There is more suffering for him to complete? Is this what Paul is telling us? And is he saying that he, Paul, could complete those sufferings? Or at least play a part in seeing that those sufferings are completed? The mind drowns in the idea.

Jesus Christ did not complete his early sufferings- incredible!
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It has been given to the church to complete the sufferings of Christ.

There is Christ who is the Head...that is, he who lived upon the earth, who was crucified, rose and ascended and now reigns. But there is another part of Christ. There is a part of Christ that is right here, right now, upon the earth today- visible-potraying Christ daily before the entire world. I speak of the physical, visible body of Christ. You see, the body is also Christ. The body, which is the church, is part of that Christ. ..

There is one aspect of the cross that none of us will ever know-praise God! We will never know what it means to be the sin bearer. That is one thing I will never experience, nor will you.


The Inward Journey
Gene Edwards
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Now I understand better what these verses means:

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ. 6 Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.

7 And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation.

-2 Cor 1:3-7

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." F22 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

-Rom 8:35-39

In case u get the above wrong, its not suffering for suffering per se, or the mentality of a victim. We are victorious in Christ. Though, we will go thru persecution for His name's sake, or He allows us to go thru the fire to build our character. :)

Remove and Replace

Had a good service today at Covenant. Really blessed by the sermon today by Ps Edmund Chan. :) Praise and Worship was good too, haha..cos they sang Hillsongs! Yay!

I guess what I really like about Covenant is the emphasis on being "in" Christ. Being a christian not as a performance driven kind of thing, but really, it is God who moulds us and grows us and makes us change. It is a gift! It isn't so much of our own labour or achievement to be more and more spiritual. So the emphasis is not on recruiting ple to ministry, or to attend this or that, to make ple give money, but rather, the emphasis on changing ple on the inside- leading them towards radical change in their behaviour.

He made a statement that really convicted my heart, that "God's work in us, must preceed His work through us". Really true! Its not about starting with the mindset that I (capital and bold- emphasis on self) am going to slay goliaths, do great things for God...I me and myself. But it is abt starting with the mindset that God- I can do nothing except IN You!! Hence it is of utmost importance that God works within our hearts first, whereby we come to this place of surrender, obedience, and where we may lay down our pride...all glory goes to Him. Its not about the goliaths that WE have slain. Its all about obedience toward Him, and being His tools.

Really exciting, met up with Benny, ex-chef of Goshen Restaurant just now too. He is going to start a Fifteen Restaurant equivalent in Singapore! :) Genuinely very happy for that to happen. Youths must be given a direction and purpose. That is so impt! One day I hope that the model will include depressed kids as well.

Prosperity and Provincialism

"I've thought a lot about prosperity theology. I thought about it as I walked through the streets of Cairo's Garbage Village, shaking the grimy hands of Christians living in abject poverty. I thought about it when I worshipped along faithful believers on a rough backless bench in a dirt-floor church in Kenya. I thought about it again when I sat in a dim room with pastors behind the Iron Curtain. I thought of it when I walked down muddy backstreets in Cambodia and squeezed into tiny homes in China. I thought about it as I was flown across the United States, put up in a plush hotel room, and picked up in a limousine that drove me to a Christian television studio for a twenty minute interview...

My novel Safely Home is the story of a U.S. businessman and his Chinese roommate who graduated from Harvard together twenty five years before. They haven't communicated with each other for two decades but are suddenly reunitied in China. The one who has followed Christ is experiencing adversity and joy. The one who turned from Christ is experiencing prosperity and emptiness. The contrast between these two old friends is the contrast between biblical Christianity and prosperity theology...
In America, a sharp looking businessman stands up at a luncheon to give his testimony: 'Before I knew Christ, I had nothing. My business was in bankruptcy, my health was ruined, I'd lost the respect of the community, and I'd almost lost my family. Then I accepted Christ. He took me out of bankruptcy and now my business has tripled its profits. My blood pressure has dropped to normal and I feel better than I've felt in years. Best of all, my wife and children have come back, and we're a family again. God is good-praise the Lord!'

In China, a disheveled former university professor gives his testimony. 'Before I met Christ, I had everything. I made a large salary, lived in a nice house, enjoyed good health, was highly respected for my credentials and profession, and had a good marriage and a beautiful son. Then I accepted Christ as my Saviour and Lord. As a result, I lost my post in the university, lost my beautiful house and car, and spent five years in prison. Now I work for a subsistence wage at a factory. I live with pain in my neck, which was broken in prison. My wife rejected me bacause of my conversion. She took my son away and I haven't seen him for ten years. But God is good, and I praise Him for His faithfulness.'

Both men are sincere Christians. One gives thanks beacause of what he's gained. The other gives thanks in spite of what he's lost.

Material blessings and restored families are defintely worth being thankful for. The brother in China would be grateful to have them again; indeed, he gives heartfelt thanks each day for the little he does have. And while the American brother is certainly right to give thanks, he and the rest of us must be careful to sort out how much of what he has experienced is part of the gospel and how much is not. For any gospel that is more true in America that in China is not the true gospel."

From Money Possessions & Eternity- Randy Alcorn

Dear God,
If I am wrong about this pls correct me and speak to me. If this is the truth then pls convict my dear brothers and sisters who are reading this. Protect us from the evil one and any distortion from Your truth.
Thank You Lord.

Joy in prayer

Found this link in a friend's blog, quite blessed by it:

http://gregscouch.homestead.com/files/Quiet_Time_Guilt.htm

It's so true, I often feel guilty or like a "bad" christian when I don't spend enough quiet time with God. But this author challenges us to seek God, not out of legalism. :)

This is me...

Yup. U came to the right blog. I figured that the old skin was too tough to read all my long blogs, and hopefully this is more reader frenly. :) I'm not sure who comes here anyway.

I went to Covenant instead today. Cos yup, I didn't want to face the pain of disagreeing. This is me- sometimes when something bothers me, it can sit in me for hrs and hrs, and it goes around in a loop in my mind, and makes me feel bad. This lingering feeling from yesterday night..yes, it remains and it bothers me.

Covenant was okay today. One thing I really miss is the worship at CHC, and yup, it just brings me right into the presence of God. Whereas at Covenant, most ple are comfortable putting their hands behind their backs of just clasping them together, or putting them at the side, I instinctively reach out my two hands- and this to me feels like worship. Don't be mistaken here, I am not saying that is the right way, but it is more of a comfort thing.

There are lots of possibilities in this world. And ple who make things happen are not those who indulge in the negative. But they look beyond the negative and see the possibilities. That's what I am trying to do. Focusing on the negative= church-less, relationship-less, and blurred future. But focusing on the positive- reminding myself that yes, God is bringing me to a new place of closeness with Him thru this season, and there are so many doors that He is opening up for me wrt work. :)

Did a google on Dr. AR Bernard, and discovered some interesting things, like how he stood up for truth and talked abt the white church failing wrt racial equality (smthing along that lines). His church building is a big complex complete with cafe and garden and all. Yet, the church also build schools, and helps the poor in New York. So yep, I've come to the realisation that there can be beliefs A, B and C. Person X may believe in ABC, but person Y believes in AC, and Z in AB. And that creates a whole lot of spectrum of differences wrt how XYZ views life, and how he shd live as a christian. Nevertheless, there are always things to learn from each other, and different aspects of each church that are strong and we can be encouraged by. I hope this makes sense.

So looking at possibilities, its just exploding all the way. :) Dear God lead me in Yr truth. Help me to focus on the major and not the minor. Help me to do what is right, not being distracted or losing energy on the things that go around me.

Today's sermon on finishing well...on the test of reality. Whether or not we are satisfied in God or in other stuffs. Ya, there are still so many things that are holding me back in my heart...there's portion that still needs to be surrendered to God. And it is so difficult to find total satisfaction in Christ alone. Afterall, God said it was not good for men to be alone. ;)It is within our nature to feel lonely etc. I really hope that I can seek Christ first over and above all other things that I desire.

It's really tuff...

Just went to Dr. AR Bernard's session at CHC, and will go again tmr. Was really blessed once again by his wisdom on social order and how God wanted to restore social order again...on earth, so that the world can function as what God originally inspired. Truly very inspiring. :) And he talked abt how God will use us to speak to men in authority, so that these men in authority can also influence and change culture. Reminds me of how God is opening doors for me in the co. to speak to the director.
But at the end of the msg, I think I couldn't identify with Pastor Kong's conclusion on the sermon cos I kinda had a diff conclusion about it. I think Dr. Bernard wasn't trying to get at us being the top lawyer/business person etc, but really abt the wisdom of God in diff situations in reaching out to individuals. How God can use us to influence ple in authority, so I may just be a small secretary in the office yet, God will open doors for me to speak to my boss in authority. Its really abt wisdom of God and this awareness that God is working in every person's life, and we are partners with Him. Its not really about us being the best this and top that in our industry.

It's really tuff thinking differently from other ple, its like u got some disease or something, or u ate some pills that makes u see the world in different colour. When I went back home and discussed with my sis, she said I was quite skewed in my thinking, and that after a while we stopped discussing cos it got uncomfortable. I really don't know why I have to go around explaining to ple my stand. And it is really tuff and painful to be different from the rest. I am really not very secure I guess. It gets lonely being different. :( And tiring.

2 interesting posts

1. What Would Jesus Buy?
Hur hur....what would He buy?
Hmm..Prada? Armani?

2. Possessed or Obsessed?
Haven't really read this article, cos it is so long! But its quite interesting in providing the background and different views on deliverance. :)

The Cross

Long time since I blogged here, but I was so touched and challenged by a sermon that I downloaded from Cornerstone, that after listening to it, I wept in conviction of my sin, and how I've misinterpreted what the cross means.

http://www.cscc.org.sg/cornerstone/spiritualfood/spiritualfood4.htm

The msg was by Pastor David Ravenhill, titled "The Cross". Do download it to listen if u have the time to. Its such a vastly different msg from those I've heard, I wish that I could type it out. But mainly, the gist of it, was that God sent Jesus so that He could bring us to Himself. It was not so that we could dump our sins with Him, and then have a tkt to heaven, and that was that. But now that we are saved, we become slaves/servants to God.

And he said..many of us christians, after we have been saved, we don't ask God what our purpose was. But instead, we continue on with the plans that we have. E.g. a person who aspired to be a lawyer, is converted some time when he is 16, and he just continues on to go to law school, cos thats what he always wanted to do. But how can it be after conversion, that this person's life remains the same? Planning and going about doing what he wanted to do all his life, even before he became a christian.

Ahh..u must listen to the sermon! I was so convicted that I cried, cos I told God, if He wanted to send me to somewhere in the world to preach, I would go. And then I thought of my parents angry with me. But I felt something broke tonight. And I surrendered control of my life to God.

Fellowship

I've been thinking about 2 things recently: Fellowship and Salvation

First of all, what does fellowship mean?
I like what Charles Colson & Ellen Vaughn write in Being the Body

As the book of Acts depicts so beautifully, the Christians of the first churches were of one heart, sharing their material possessions and caring for their brothers and sisters in need. Surrounded by a hostile culture and convinced that Christ was returning soon, they enjoyed the intimacy of shared lives, common cause, and deep friendships that crossed the social and economic barriers of their day. Ordinary believers whose lives had been transformed by the power of Jesus, they truly were what they called themselves; the communio sanctorum-the communion of saints....

Surveys show that the number-one thing people look for in a church today is fellowship. But what most modern Westerners seek is a far cry from that the Bible describes and what the early church practiced. No term in the Christian lexicon is more abused than fellowship...

But the word for "fellowship" in the New Testament Greek, koinonia, means neither punch and cookies nor cookie-cutter Christians. It conveys something richer. Literally it means "a communion", a participation of people together in God's grace. It describes a new community in which individuals willingly covenant to share in common, to be in submission to each other, to support one another and "bear one another's burdens,"as Paul wrote to the Galatians, and to build each other up in relationship with the Lord.

You see, what makes people see the difference in us? We as a group of people who live our lives differently and sacrifice for each other- that is love that God called us to have for each other, and how ple know that Christ is alive in us. A community...a new community of believers.

I've also been thinking about salvation and repentance. Out of curiosity that Jonathan Edwards was mentioned many times in the books that I was reading, I went to google for his sermons- and the most famous one being "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God", preached at Enfield, which stirred the hearts of mean and women. People repented of their sins, came to God and revival broke thru the land. That was in 1739-1740, the start of the Great Awakening in America.

How does revival come about? I believe that revival comes when there is repentance. People come to God and say that they are sorry for their sins, and there is a contrite heart, and a fear of God because He is so Holy. I was scanning thru the sermon by Edwards, and the whole sermon was filled with hell fire & God's judgement on sinners, and yet how He is merciful to keep us alive. And I was pretty shocked. Esp when I compare it with today's evangelistic sermons that focus mostly on God's love, come to Him...He loves u, and if you are a sinner He will forgive u etc. Don't get me wrong, I am sure God is a loving God. Its just that sometimes the sermons can get so watered down that even if people respond, there may not be genuine repentance...a genuine contrite heart that recognises one has sinned. Because receiving Christ, is not just coming to blessings and God's love, but these come, as we repent of our past and sins, and acknowledge that we need God. So its not just about lovely musicals or sermons on the prodigal son. But impt-that ple realise that God is Holy and that we are so in need of Him.

And yes, when we talk abt evangelising to people, we mustn't be afraid to speak to them abt Christ. And sometimes we may even be offensive to them. I believe that whatever Peter and Paul said were offensive to the jews. Repent of yr sins!! Those that u worship are idols! They are lifeless! And they dared to share boldly of Christ. And then the Word cuts thru the hearts of the people, and we realise how wretched we are without God.

Being the (church) Body

Interesting Quote by C.S. Lewis:
" I didn't go to religion to make me happy.
I always knew a bottle of Port would do that.
If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable,
I certainly don't recommend Christianity."

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The church is not a blding..but it is the gathering of a group of believers.

Charles Colson & Ellen Vaughn, Being the Body

"This is the great tension. On the one hand, there is the church God has created and intends for ultimate consummation as the bride of Christ. That church, said C.S. Lewis is a spectacle that makes the boldest demons uneasy, for 'she spread out through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an army with banners.'

But that ultimate vision is far more glorious than the present reality we see around us everyday in this fallen world: little congregations gathering in white wooden chapels and vast denomintaions meeting in grand cathedrals, street-corner preachers, megachurch pastors, Salvation Army bell ringers, television orators and traveling evangelists. Many of them spend much of the time either bickering with or ignoring each other. This church, the one the world sees, resembles nothing much as a gigantic flea market with the vendors competing against on another, hawking their wares in a huge discordant din.
Messy, ambiguous, imperfect? You bet. There is no perfect or model church. But we should not despair-for at least two reasons.
First, tensions allow for a variety of expressions which, often confounding human wisdom, reach people who might not otherwise be reached. There is richness in our diversity that strengthens the overall witness of the church. Different confessions, because of their own emphasis, make differing aspects of the spiritual reality visble...
Second...The institutional church, like all other institutions, comes under the influence of the Fall...this dynamic may well save us all from the one fate worse than chaos: triumphalism. That is, the very real temptation to believe that we have all of the truth, thus confusing ourselves with the kingdom of God. ..
But as imperfect as we are on this side of heaven, the miracle is that God in fact chooses to use His church-us-as His means of proclaiming love, truth, and hope.
Not always clearly; not always unequivocally. We all cringe when a church leader does some dreadful thing or when a layperson says some crazy thing into television camera. But somehow, through all the muddle, the gospel goes forth. People often come to church for all the wrong reasons, but God draws them to Himself. Churches can thunder down all the wrong tracks, and then repent and be renewed.
Admittedly, the pettiness and failures, the division and discord, can be disheartening at times. What a sorry mess we mortals often make of things in the name of the church! But our comfort comes from God's miraculous promise that He will build His church."

I hope the above comforts u.

I don't enjoy the feeling of church "shopping". I am not shopping. I'm not looking for the perfect, flawless church to belong to. I just want to belong to a church where I can be a part of the body of Christ. Where as a community, we can be a light that shines. Where I can follow the biblical commandment to not give up the meeting of together. In my heart is the ideal church. But the church, made up of individuals like u and me, is never in the ideal state. Yet I believe in God's heart for the church, for as a group of believers, how much more we can impact our society.

I feel such a deep sense of disillusionment within me. Disatisfied a lot of times...and smtimes even angry. Sigh. I don't know how to manage that.

This week when I visited Covenant's cg as I blogged in the other blog, I think many of the ple in the cg belong to rich families. And we have our cars, careers, and studies etc. All these are God's blessings. Then I think...can we live less rich lives and how much more we can give to others. Can we give up our careers and go to mission fields and totally live our lives for God. Can we give up our comfortable lifestyle? And what does it mean to follow God.
Then the next moment I get a lift right home cos my contacts was displaced, and I received smses of encouragement, and it made me feel really loved. And this body of God's believers, tho not perfect in the way we live...yet, being in the body, is God's plan for us, that we may encourage one another in various ways. I ask myself, instead of judging ple, can I judge my own life, am I loving enough, kind enough? Generous enough? And I fall short of everything. Don't mistake me...i'm not preaching about doing more works to please God.
Teach me God, to be more loving, generous and kind. And give me the grace..to live the kind of life u call me to live.

The Cross

The first time I listened to Smail's tape, I cried and wept. I felt the comforting presence of the Holy Spirit. U know at times when we don't understand why we suffer, or go thru trials, ple tell us we must have FAITH to pray for our breakthrus and to believe in God. And we are really discouraged when we don't get our breakthroughs. Is it cos we don't have enuff faith? But could it be that the world is simply not perfect, and that "God's purposes in such situations is not always to take us out of what is threatening to hurt or destroy us, but is sometimes rather to take us through it. Our ultimate victory comes not from escaping evil but from being given the ability to endure and bear it..."

Find some of the answers here as u struggle thru!

Abstract from Tom Smail- The Cross and the Spirit: Toward a Theology of Renewal

Toward a Theology of Suffering
There is, however, another whole area in which the Paschal model
has much to offer. As well as opening up, as we have just been seeing,
a fresh approach to renewal and healing in their relationship to Christ's
cross, it also makes possible a new understanding of unrelieved suffering
and failure to heal. These are always a great problem for the Pentecostal
model, which is exposed to constant temptation to a glib triumphalism
that arouses in people expectations which it is only sometimes able to
fulfill, with the sad result that many people are left in deep guilt because
they did not have enough faith to be healed, or else in disillusionment
because the promises so confidently made to them have not been kept.
When we expose this whole dark area to the light that comes from
the cross and resurrection of Jesus, we can begin to see that God's
purpose in such situations is not always to take us out of what is
threatening to hurt or destroy us, but is sometimes rather to take us
through it. Our ultimate victory comes not from escaping evil but from
being given the ability to endure and bear it, the way that Jesus bore it
on the cross, so that the death that was its ultimate destructive onslaught
upon Him became the way to His own Easter victory and to the world's
salvation.
When God's own self-giving love gets into the midst of a situation
dominated by sin, suffering, and death, the way it did with Jesus on the
cross, it acts creatively and transformingly on that situation. What is
in itself totally destructive can become, by Christ's presence in it, salvific
and redemptive. Christ does not rise on Easter day in spite of His
sufferings and death, but rather because of them. The risen Jesus is still
the wounded Jesus; in His resurrection He does not leave His passion
behind Him; He bears the marks of it still in His body and displays them
as the trophies of His triumph. His suffering is the very stuff out of
which He fashions His glory.
The New Testament makes it clear that the way of the Master is
the way of the disciple. He calls us to take up our cross and follow Him.
That means that we have no guarantee of immunity either from the
kind of suffering that is a direct consequence of our discipleship or from
the accidents, misfortunes, illnesses, and disabilities that afflict other
people and are as liable to afflict us as well. Paul was imprisoned in
Philippi as a direct result of his Christian witness there (Acts 16:23),
but equally the ship on which he sailed for Rome was not spared the
storm and the shipwreck that were the normal risk of all Mediterranean
seafarers at that time of year (Acts 27). He was rescued from neither a fresh approach to renewal and healing in their relationship to Christ's cross, it also makes possible a new understanding of unrelieved suffering and failure to heal. These are always a great problem for the Pentecostal model, which is exposed to constant temptation to a glib triumphalism that arouses in people expectations which it is only sometimes able to fulfill, with the sad result that many people are left in deep guilt because
they did not have enough faith to be healed, or else in disillusionment
because the promises so confidently made to them have not been kept.
When we expose this whole dark area to the light that comes from
the cross and resurrection of Jesus, we can begin to see that God's
purpose in such situations is not always to take us out of what is
threatening to hurt or destroy us, but is sometimes rather to take us
through it. Our ultimate victory comes not from escaping evil but from
being given the ability to endure and bear it, the way that Jesus bore it
on the cross, so that the death that was its ultimate destructive onslaught
upon Him became the way to His own Easter victory and to the world's
salvation.
When God's own self-giving love gets into the midst of a situation
dominated by sin, suffering, and death, the way it did with Jesus on the
cross, it acts creatively and transformingly on that situation. What is
in itself totally destructive can become, by Christ's presence in it, salvific
and redemptive. Christ does not rise on Easter day in spite of His
sufferings and death, but rather because of them. The risen Jesus is still
the wounded Jesus; in His resurrection He does not leave His passion
behind Him; He bears the marks of it still in His body and displays them
as the trophies of His triumph. His suffering is the very stuff out of
which He fashions His glory.
The New Testament makes it clear that the way of the Master is
the way of the disciple. He calls us to take up our cross and follow Him.
That means that we have no guarantee of immunity either from the
kind of suffering that is a direct consequence of our discipleship or from
the accidents, misfortunes, illnesses, and disabilities that afflict other
people and are as liable to afflict us as well. Paul was imprisoned in
Philippi as a direct result of his Christian witness there (Acts 16:23),
but equally the ship on which he sailed for Rome was not spared the
storm and the shipwreck that were the normal risk of all Mediterranean
seafarers at that time of year (Acts 27). He was rescued from neither
persecution nor misfortune, but was brought through both to fresh
opportunities for the gospel.
So for Christians today there come times when Jesus calls us to
follow Him in the way of the cross, where the delivering signs and
wonders do not happen, where the trouble from which we pray to be
freed is neither removed nor alleviated, but becomes the material out
of which God fashions us into richer and deeper realms of renewal,
which, looking back, we see could not have been reached in any other
way.
Very relevant to all this is the saying of C. S. Lewis, "Miracles are
for beginners." I take this to mean that, when we are in the early stages
of the Christian life, where faith most needs to be confirmed and built
up, God will often show himself to be the rescuer, who gets us out of
our trouble. When, however, we become stronger and more mature,
He will often honor us, not by giving us the deliverances we ask, but
by calling us to follow Jesus through the dark, even deadly places where
no relief comes, to the new life that lies on the other side of whatever
Jordan of suffering and affliction we have to cross. And, of course, none
of us will in the end escape the ultimate Jordan of death, which is the
only access to the final glory that awaits us.
We need not take too literally the time-scale implied by the Lewis
dictum. It is not only at the start of the Christian life that faith and
confidence need to be built up, and God's wonderful rescuing deliver-
ances can come at any time and in any situation, as in His wisdom and
freedom He may choose. Nevertheless, Christian growth toward ma-
turity comes less from seeing miracles than from being taken through
suffering and learning to trust God to work out His good purposes in
and through what we have to endure. If we can see Him at work only
when we are rescued from evil, and cannot trust Him when the signs
cease and the wonders do not happen we shall be in danger of remaining
permanently in the Christian nursery instead of learning, as Paul put it
to Timothy, "[to] endure hardship ... like a good soldier of Christ Jesus"
(2 Timothy 2:3).
The New Testament paradigm for all this is undoubtedly the way
Paul understands what he calls his thorn in the flesh in 2 Corinthians
12:7-9. Much ink has been spilled in trying to identify what exactly he
was talking about, and commentators have suggested everything from
epileptic fits and eye trouble to the harrying of persecuting Jews. That
debate is bound to be without conclusion since the relevant evidence
is almost entirely lacking.
Nevertheless, Paul does tell us quite clearly that, whatever the
precise nature of his trouble may have been, it was something that on
the face of it fulfilled no obvious useful purpose. It gave him continual
pain and played into the hands of Satan by at least partially disabling
him from doing what God had called him to do. That much can be
inferred from 12:7, "There was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger
of Satan to torment me."
Paul's response to this situation was to pray that he should be set
free from this disability, and to persist in this prayer when its request
was not immediately granted. "Three times I pleaded with the Lord to
take it away from me" (v. 8). The answer to that prayer, when at length
it came, was a very specific refusal of the deliverance he asked for. To
put it in current charismatic jargon, Paul was given a word of knowledge
to the effect that he was to live with his affliction and not expect to be
freed from it.
God was going to lead him by the way of the cross, by not rescuing
him from the trouble, but by using it to bring him into even closer
dependence upon himself. Paul had had sensational spiritual experi-
ences, which he hints at in the verses immediately before this passage,
and there was a danger that he might be carried away by them, so as to
depend on them rather than the God who gave them—always a temp-
tation for those who have had charismatic experiences, even of a much
lesser kind. In such circumstances he needed his affliction to drive him
back continually on his dependence on God. "But he said to me, 'My
grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness' "
(v. 9). A disabled apostle depending on God is far more usable than a
healthy apostle living out of his own spiritual capital.
It is as if God had said to him, "Your thorn in the flesh must remain,
for although Satan put it there, I can use it to make you keep relying on
me and so to outwit Satan. For when you rely on me in your wound-
edness, you are far more powerful in my service than if you were
brimming with physical health, psychological balance, and spiritual self-
sufficiency." The way that Paul goes on shows how well he has learned
that hard lesson: "Therefore 1 will boast all the more gladly about my
Weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for
Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in per-
secutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong" (vv. 9-10)

"My power is made perfect in weakness"; "When I am weak, then
I am strong." Those who understand what is happening to them in these
terms are those who have entered deeply into the mystery of the strange
power that God in Christ exercises from the apparent powerlessness
of^the cross. They know that when we assess these things in terms of
a theologia cmcis, weakness and power, suffering and triumph, defeat and
victory, rejection and acceptance, death and resurrection are not con'
ttadictory but complementary, impossible as that may seem from any
-other standpoint.
As the Church of England Doctrine Commission report We Believe
m the Holy Spirit puts it, "Jesus and his passion represent for us the
touchstone of the power of which we speak, its effects when poured
out, and its confrontation with other concepts of power abroad in the
world."3 In other words. God's power is understood in accordance with
what we have been calling the Paschal model, it is the power of the
cross, of the crucified and risen Lord.
That is why Paul can cope with God's refusal to remove his thorn
in the flesh. He has learned at the cross not just about a rescuing God
who takes people out of trouble but about a saving God who can use
their trouble for their remaking, just as He used the awful suffering of
Jesus for the remaking of the world. The Pentecostal model can offer
us a theology of healing and triumph, but it cannot provide the basis
for a theology of suffering and failure, which we need just as much. For
that we have to turn, with Paul in his own suffering, to the Paschal
model, with its center in the cross.

Renewal in the Spirit and Sharing the Cross
Far from advancing beyond the cross when we are renewed in the
Spirit, needing to return to it only when we sin and need pardon, the
Paschal model shows us that the more we are filled with the Spirit, the
more we shall share in both cross and resurrection, again and again.
The triumphalistic expectations of uninterrupted release and constant
victory which the more naive part of the charismatic constituency has
sometimes chenshed and even taught are contradicted by both Scripture
and experience alike.
For our New Testament example of this we need only remember
Stephen, who is introduced to us in Acts 6 as a man -full of faith and
of the Holy Spirit" (v. 5) and "full of God's grace and power (v. 8)-a
model charismatic indeed! Precisely because he was so full of the Spirit.
Stephen saw that the gospel of Christ could not be contained within
the bounds of Jewish exclusivism, but that through it God was moving
out in grace from Israel to the whole Gentile world. Such a message
roused against him a murderous Jewish opposition that contrived his
stoning. Just as it had contrived the crucifixion-But because
the Spirit who filled Stephen was the Spirit who had filled Jesus on the
cross he met his death in the same forgiving love to his enemies and
trust in God. so that the last words of the martyr echo Ac last words
of the master:-Lord. do not hold this sin against them (7:60); Lord
Tesus, receive my spirit" (7:59).
But as death and defeat were not the end of the story for Jesus,
neither were they for Stephen. Luke tells Stephen s story in a way that
brings out quite clearly how his tragedy was used to bnng about his
triumph both in heaven and on earth. We are told how in the midst of
his suffering he had a charismatic vision of the glory that awaited him
with God- "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right
hand of God" (Luke 7:56). Professor William Manson used to point
out to his Edinburgh students that this is the only place inthe New
Testament where the exalted Lord is said to stand at the Father s right
hand. In all other references he is said to szt, because sitting is the
attitude of regnant majesty. But when the martyr who has followed the
Lord all the way to the death comes, to receive him and to honor him
the Son of Man rises from His throne. Almost, "Stand up, stand up for
Stephen!" That is indeed triumph in heaven.
But there is tnumph for Stephen and all that he died for here on
earth as well. Luke tells us that -Meanwhile, the witnesses [to Stephen s
stoning] laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul (7:58),
who was soon also due to meet the exalted Lord on the road to Damascas. There he would be asked why he was continuing to kick against
the pricks, why, in other words, he was resisting the growing conviction
that, in persecuting the Christians, he was persecuting their Lord. If we
ask what had begun to shake him in his old hostility and prepare him
for his coming conversion, the answer, at which Luke at least hints, is
that it was the way Stephen died.
Thus the death of Stephen was a powerful factor in initiating the
taking of the gospel to the Gentile world through Paul. The very thing
for which the martyr had died was beginning to happen in a way and
to an extent of which he could never have dared to dream. Stephen
moves from being filled with the Spirit to a sharing of the cross, and
through that sharing of the cross to triumph both with God in heaven
and with God's mission here on earth. That is the Paschal pattern of
Christian life in the Spirit.
That pattern prevails equally in the more restricted world of the
spiritual gifts in which modern charismatics are most interested. Mother
Basileia Schlink of the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary used to say that
all the gifts of the Spirit are marked with the sign of the cross. To
exercise a ministry of healing involves suffering with those who suffer
and having to bear all the insoluble mysteries of why one is healed and
another is not. Furthermore, if we desire to prophesy, we had better
remember all the biblical evidence that the popularity rating and indeed
the life-expectancy of authentic prophets has never been high!

Conclusions
It is time to summarize our conclusions. The central thrust of the
argument has been that renewal in the Spirit urgently requires a theology
that will do justice to all that is involved in it—a map of the journey to
God's land of promise that has clearly marked on it both the power and
the love, the failure and the triumph, the weakness and the strength,
the suffering and the healing, the dying and the rising again. We have
tried to show that a theology that will more adequately fulfil all these
requirements will be one that has at its center not the experience of
Pentecost only, but the Paschal mystery of the death and resurrection
of Jesus, to which the Spirit who came to the Church at Pentecost bears
witness in all His works and ways.
Of course, no theology can ever be finally adequate to the uncon'
trollable Spirit, who, as John reminds us, blows, like the wind, wherever
He pleases (John 3:8); but in all His incalculable freedom He remains
the Spirit whom the Father gave to us through the Son who was to die
and rise again. That is why the Spirit can so often be seen to be working
within the rhythm of Christ's cross and resurrection.
Paul says all that I have been trying to say in Philippians 3:10, where
he delineates the shape of the only renewal in the Spirit that at the end
of the day matters: "I want to know Christ and the power of his
resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming
like him in his death, and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection
from the dead."

Having an equality!

Was reading 2 Corinthians 8-9 yesterday, and something caught my eye. In chap 8 to 9, Paul was talking to the Corinth church about giving and preparing their gifts. It was interesting, for me to see Paul-doing pastoral stuffs, but more than that, something in 2 Cor 8:13-14 caught my eye when I read it in the NLT version.
Ofcourse, I don't mean your giving should make life easy for others and hard for yourselves. I only mean there should be some equality. Right now you have plenty and can help those who are in need. Later, they will have plenty and can share with you when you need it. In this way, things will be equal.

Whoa! Living as a community of christians, our sharing with each other, will cause us to have equality! Sounds a little communistic/socialistic isn't it? But in the nature of the Father, all the way from Old testament of having the Year of Jubilee, tells us that God-desires equality and justice! So that the land has no poor. And if we practice that enough, there would be balance and there will not be so much starvation and famine in poor countries. (That's a bit of over-simplification ofcos, given that there are also issues of corrupted governments, laziness etc)
2Cor 9:6 along the lines of he who sows shall reap. Isn't the above true? If we all shared, then whatever we sowed, we also have enough from others! Just like the book of Acts where all shared their possessions willingly.

Paul himself said he learnt to abound and to abase. In my opinion, prosperity and success are not the ultimate goal of christianity. I'm still trying to figure out what is. But could it be to be more Christ-like?
Paul speaks in 2 Cor6:4-10 on the marks of the ministry:

4 But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses, 5 in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in sleeplessness, in fastings; 6 by purity, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love, 7 by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, 8 by honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report; as deceivers, and yet true; 9 as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed; 10 as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Surely, a large part of what it means to be a Christian is missed out when we focus on success and prosperity. How about suffering, sleeplessness and persecution? Doesn't the body of Christ today in developed countries need to be challenged in terms of their comfortable lifestyle? When we sing songs about laying down our lives/Jesus being more impt than treasures of this earth, are these just nice songs to sing? Or do we mean it with all our hearts?

It is a wonderful thing to excel in our studies & work in our mkt place, and shinning for God-carrying His excellence, and testifying that, yes, God is a good God, and God is a God who blesses. But the mark of the minister is that-He can do with or without this, with money or without, with honour of without-that the chief aim may be that he may glorify Christ in his life.

What makes non-christians want to seek God? Non-christians more than anything are seeking for TRUTH. The diff kinds of packaging may lead them to truth. But I think more than anything, they are looking for something that is different from this world. Can it be love? Can it be sacrifice? Can it be those that touch their hearts? Seeing christians giving their all to each other, and genuinely loving each other, instead of building larger buildings and wearing nicer clothes and having a high standard of life.

Hey, u are so rich and prosperous, your God must be wonderful! I want to have that too!
Is christianity an exchange of worldy things, for other means of acheiving worldy things? Shd we persuade them to know our God through these means?

Relevance

I found the youth conference message yesterday pretty enlightening. Pastor explained to us why we must be relevant to society. And its really true and impt. And I understand better his vision for the church to be in the culture of the world, and to be an influence in the arts, media, govt, business etc.

I've always believed in that as well, being a mktplace christian, impacting the place u are in, being the salt and light, carry His glory, shine for Him. And I always pray that I might be a light that shines in my company, that when ple see me, they see God in me.

Well there are 2 grps of ple reading this blog, the first grp are my CHC frens (CGLs, ex-mbrs etc), second grp are some christians who have gone thru a similar transition as me wrt their point of view about church. I try and cater for both grps in a sense, but then realise that I shd be pleasing God and not men, and I shd really write what I think is the truth.

I agree about being relevant and contemporary to relate to the world. The opposite of that is retreating and being reclusive. There are so many churches like the latter! But my question is, what is the definition of being relevant? I can be relevant in so many ways. To the poor and hurting, I minister to them by my love and showing them that I care. To the person in the third world, I be relevant to him by going there wearing my simplest of clothes to relate to him. To the aunty in the pantry, I talk to her abt her children and movies in her era. That is BEING RELEVANT! Can u imagine me wearing my makeup, mini skirt and high heels to a developing country and telling them, God loves you! That will be so irrelevant!

Being relevant does not mean everyone fits into a mould of dyed and gelled hair, mini skirts, ed- hardy t shirts, makeup etc. In fact that freaks a group of ple in society out. We are NOT being relevant to the chunk of ple who are not fashionable, maybe nerdy, or even casual in their dressing. How abt someone who just wants to seek God and wear his bermudas to church? Being fashionable is unlikely to be relevant to him. We be relevant by relating to ple and being real, being ourselves and yet caring for others.

Granted, this is a youth conference but there is a large chunk of the church I believe, like me, probably who don't feel that being trendy and fashionable is being relevant to me. Neither is the hip hop dance, or the winning eleven game, or the pop idol sessions.

And my question is, are we only reaching out to the hip and trendy? Are we dressed in a way that makes pop stars come to church and feel comfortable? Is the church mainly relevant to cater for ple like Miss Taiwan? Or is it a church that is relevant to all? And why are ple in "influence"-leaders in govt, business, media being exalted over everyday ple like you and me? Though I am not a leader in my industry, yet I impact my world by being me! Daniel-impacted the world he lived in, and the story of daniel speaks to us that God can use anybody and everybody! Looks and wisdom are a special endowment that God has given to him. In the new testament, God says blessed are the meek/poor in spirit etc, and God uses the weak (according to the world) to shame the strong. Hence God is God who uses ALL ple, as long as we surrender our lives to Him, and that is where He empowers us to be like a Daniel!

In my heart of hearts though, I am somewhat at peace, cos hearing where pastor was coming from, I understand better the reasons for being contemporary. At his heart is reaching out and being relevant to ple, esp youths. And the church has done a great job in relating to the youths. So I dare not be bold enough to say that I know it better than the leadership.

MrForest told me that I must ask myself the correct questions. What are the practices that are being done that are not acceptable to me? And can I see myself there in the long run? The answer is a big clear fat no. Though I have kept myself open for the past few months, and everyday I ask God this question. How can a church be walking in error when u are blessing it so much? Am I the one in error? Am I being religious? Am I missing out on smthing? But the underlying core emotion beneath me just fails to relate to the sermons almost every week as well as the practices. They don't encourage me to know God more. The God that I know, somewhat differs from what is being preached at the pulpit.

For a long long while, I was angry with myself. Why can't I be normal? Have I hardened my heart and backslidden? Sometimes doubt, anger and bitterness comes to my mind when I worship. But for the past two days, during ministry, I experienced such a warm touch from the Holy Spirit, and I felt this deep sense of peace. That He was with me.

U see..the only thing that I can reconcile is that God works in His plans in so many wonderous ways. This church may not be the place where I fit in right now in my spiritual walk. But it has indeed blessed me so much in the past and helped me to overcome my low self esteem, challenged me to live a godly life etc. Perhaps there is a season in everyone's lives for different things. Sometimes I really envy those ple who can sit at the service and agree with all the things that are being said. I remember not long back...1 or 2 years ago, I also felt that way. I looked forward to service every single week for a fresh touch from God and for Him to speak to me in a new way. And He always did. Having exposed myself to other authors however, 2 main ones that influenced my thinking- John Piper and Ron Sider have changed my perspective.

In a way, it is a mindset thing. But I cannot change my mindset back to the start. The best that I can settle for, and leaves me well at peace is that I know that God is working in this lovely church. The place that has impacted my christian life so much. And at the heart of the leadership is a love for the lost. That makes me glad to know.

Who shall I share this with?

Dear God,
And whomever that the Lord shall choose and use to speak to me. I had a wonderful emerge conference just now, at the end of it, I felt so touched by Your presence, and I think u wanted to encourage me that u understood my pain, and I need not fight no more the battles that I try to fight alone. For it is with acceptance of our own brokenness and weakness, that You-God can come and move in our lives.
As I looked at Pastor Kong ministering to the people, and also speaking a word to Pastor Abraham, I was so touched, I saw You working through the lives of the ple. I saw Your people, throughout the expo, 7000 of us, lifting up their hands to worship You. Everyone reaching out to You. Yr Holy Spirit touching their hearts, imparting dreams and visions to those young people. I really thank You, God for the ministry of Pastor and his team. Even as I look at the CG leaders I used to serve with, I know that everyone of us gave of our time, money and talents to serve You. Whether it is to skip meals or sleep etc..I know that all of us wanted to lay down our lives to serve You. And I heard Pastor Audrey share on the stage the testimony of her as a youth, leading 7 cgs while she was in VJC. That's so not easy and required dedication and devotion to You.
I also see churches that have existed for a long time. Lest I judge...but yet I see that there is really a lacking of fresh touch and revelation of You. I know that God, u have used Pastor Kong to start a new church doing a new thing, reaching out to youths in contemporary ways. A vision, U have placed in his heart for the mktplace, to use our talents, to raise up ple to be the salt and light in the mkt place. Being relevant & contemporary, that's lacking in so many churches these days. He is a bold man who is not afraid of criticisms, but following the vision You have commanded him to do.
How can I not know these things since I've been in this church for the past 8 years?
But each time I see someone wearing an Ed Hardy shirt, something stirs up within me. A few hundred dollars for a shirt? Should I judge ple for wearing those shirts? Maybe he didn't even buy it? Maybe someone gave it to him?
Everytime I think of the next church building we are going to build that costs a few hundred million, something stirs again. Can we use the money for better use? When I see glossy pamplets that would have cost much to print or the Xando coffee in the Emerge bag...I wonder, do we really need this?
Do we need makeup competitions or arm wrestling competitions?
Am I getting too critical? Legalistic? Religious?

It doesn't settle well within me...when things start getting commercialised. And I felt uncomfortable today cos Junyang, Kelly and Taufiq were invited to church to sing. They are non-christians. And that took up 1 hr? Youths waving their hands up and down for their "idol". If we went to church to hear different messages from the world, why is it that when I go to church, some of them sound so similar to motivational speeches?

God, who can I speak to? Who can I ask? How I wish for a spiritual authority over my life. Someone who is balanced, who is godly and has experienced how I feel.

Or is it that You have given different different ministries? Some to reach out to the cities-mkt place, some to the poor countries? CHC also does missions in indonesia, northeast asia etc. But everytime, I think of my life with You, I have this strong sense that it is to minister to people who are hurting, who need a lot of time/patience/love, ple who are outcasts, misunderstood, lonely. These God, are those U have impressed upon my heart to reach out to. And then to me, CHC doesn't seem like a church that really speaks to this group. CHC does teach to love and accept ple, to love others as Christ loved us. But the thing is, with the emphasis on being successful in our areas in the mktplace, looking good, being trendy. The emerge competitions of parade of schools (where the youths dance), arm wrestling, singing, sports etc., does it mean that those who don't excel in either of this will feel left out? Does it also mean an emphasis on the outward rather than the empowering from You that goes beyond our natural abilities to sing/dance or look good. Do we need slimming coffee to make us look good? Or do You, look into our hearts? And these ple who are outcasts, more than anything, want acceptance and need the message of unconditional acceptance. Not a list of must dos and nots, of how to become more spiritual etc. Those are impt, but it is also impt that they are placed in an environment of with assurance of Your values, that You don't judge according to outwardly success but look inward.

Sometimes I see among the youths, and I worry...I worry that they grow up to be christians who care more abt the outwardly than abt the inwardly. Then again, Pastor always emphasizes in his sermons that we need to pray to You, and not depend on methods or our own talents to make things work. But, does the emphasis on looking good/smart, being successful mean also that the part on being spiritual is diluted? I really don't know. I see that CHC has raised up so many christians who lay down their lives for You, God. But I've also seen youths who jump up and down during praise, and try every week to "reach out" to their friends, really seem to be following everything that Pastor preaches or their CGL teaches them to do, but don't really know You. Thats not something I can judge..whether someone knows You or not. They may have simple faith in You. They may be a group of contemporary youths who will otherwise be lost in eternity. They may need time and discipleship to truly know You.

These are my worries God. And I am afraid...to see youths wearing/aiming to buy Ed Hardy shirts, when some of them may hardly come from rich families. I am afraid sometimes to see ple with coloured hair that's gelled up in the latest fashion. Girls in their mini shirts and halter necks. Sure...those are just a matter of lifestyle. But are they good? I really don't know.

What is good and right in Your eyes, Lord? I really don't know anymore. U do use imperfect men ofcos. You do...You do speak to Your servants. Sometimes Your methods may seem strange. It may seem difficult to understand. What should I do God? I think essentially tonight You were telling me not to focus so much on wats right or wrong, cos those distract me, from the real call. The real call for my life to minister to the hurting, and so many lost in the company, my frens, ple in developing countries. So many of them God... And God, the thing is, I really want to belong to a church where I can identify with the vision, to grow with the church and be planted there. I think that right now, I am going thru a period of wilderness, where I need to seek You, be broken, be humble, and grow closer to You through Your words & affirmation. God...even if the whole world forsakes me, You will not forsake me. I really can't understand what I am going through right now. I pray You give me the grace God and faith to trust You even when I don't understand. In Jesus Name I pray, Amen!

Church

I don't even know how to begin on this post. And I hope u don't judge me, nor get stumbled after reading this. Cos it has been on my mind for the past few months, at least 8 months.

Today I went for service, and Pastor Kong shared a message on being the salt and light in the market place. It was a good message on Daniel, and how Daniel lived and dressed like the Babylonians, and he even had a babylonian name that the king gave him =Belteshazzar= Bel will protect his life. Bel was Babylon's chief god. And the three other young men likewise had pagan names like moon god and servant of god Nego. Pastor went on to talk abt how we need to engage the mkt place, that christians, must be contemporary, trendy and modern and be excellent in our mkt place. So as to be like the salt and light. Like Daniel, who won the Babylon King over, and the King turned to worship Jehovah God.

The message is sacred but the packaging is not.

I've been in CHC for the past 8 years, and I really love this church, and have grown so much spiritually in this church. Being a CGL has been a privillege, being able to minister to the ple, helping them to grow etc. The fellowship of the cgls...my close frens Ru and Jeryn, and Roy. Really enjoy their company, serving God together with them. And today when I went to find Ru at the front to pass her flowers and a card for her bday with Jeryn, it was such a warm feeling all over again. The leaders in front booking seats and yups..this rush I always felt standing in the front rows of the church, praising and worshiping God with the other leaders. Pastor Kong....always inspired me by the way he fasted and prayed and challenged us to put God first. It is in this church where I experienced the love of God, the warm touch of the Holy Spirit. And here I am today.

Thats why its so painful for me to feel this way.

Daniel...was a man God used mightily. But he didn't just behave culturally like the Babylons. To me, it speaks of salt and light, penetrating the mkt place. But Daniel, also had a strong set of beliefs, and he openly worshipped God, not in fear of persecution. Likewise Joseph in Egypt and Jesus among the jews...tho he walked and fellowshipped with them, He had deviant views on many issues from the norm.
But I believe that God doesn't just use the Daniel model, He also uses the Job model (suffering, yet praising God), the Paul model (persecuted for Christ's sake). Paul said very specifically:
1 Timothy 6:6-12 6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.

Why is the church not preaching more on righteousness, godliness, love etc? And why is the emphasis on being successful in the mkt place? Being successful in the mkt place is a means to an end- the end being God's gospel is being preached, and there are finances to support it, and we become salt and light.
Have we gone to a new level, a higher level, and we are now talking abt mkt place and success and all that? I really don't understand...

I couldn't say the prayer together with pastor today, when he prayed, God make us more trendy, modern, prosperous etc.

We want to be all things to all men, to reach out to ple, but...
God reached out not just to the trendy, He reached out to ple who felt unwanted and unloved by society.

Being prosperous, successful, excellent. Having promotions in our careers, scoring our As and all that. If we believe in all that, then the vision to build God a hse in the mkt place, for the mkt place to penetrate the mkt place. A building that will cause a few hundred millions and looks like sydney opera house. I really struggle to identify with all that. Is that wat God calls us to be? Or can we make better use of our finances to help the poor who are suffering?

I pray everyday to God that He will open up my mind if I am being stubborn, prideful etc. But every week when I go for service, its the same message I'm getting all over again.

Pastor said before that sometimes when the church moves into a new level, ple will fall away, cos they can't follow the vision. I am hoping sincerely that I am not a person who has fallen away...and been siffed out by the devil. It pains me to write this post, and this post is as open as I can get about how I am feeling. And one of the reasons why I stepped down as a cgl.

But I really tink it is a noble cause to be serving as a cgl in church, and many of them lay down their lives for God. I just couldn't continue...not being able to flow with the vision or pass down the vision to the mbrs.

No church is perfect, but we choose a church with a vision that we can identify with. And I'm gradually seeing that I can't identify with the church's vision anymore.

Musings of a Christian (Part 2)- Prosperity vs Poverty

On Prosperity vs Poverty

We want to be more and more like God, so we need to understand God's character. Do you know that God cares for the poor and marginalised in society? In the Old Testament this theme is repeated among the prophets e.g. Amos, Isaiah and Jeremiah all address this issue. Most people think that the issues that the prophets were addressing were mainly idolatry. But the prophets covered both. God was displeased with both the worship of idols and also the oppression of the poor and marginalised.

Does God really care? (Read Ron Sider's Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger)

Let's take a look at these verses:

3 This is what the Lord says: Administer justice and righteousness. Rescue the victim of robbery from the hand of his oppressor. Don't exploit or brutalize the alien, the fatherless, or the widow. Don't shed innocent blood in this place. 4 For if you conscientiously carry out this word, then kings sitting on David's throne will enter through the gates of this palace riding on chariots and horses-they, their officers, and their people. 5 But if you do not obey these words, then I swear by Myself"-[this is] the Lord's declaration-"that this house will become a ruin."
Jeremiah 22:3-5

Why would God destroy the house of Israel? It is not only due to idolatry, but also because of oppressive systems. (Jer 22:13-17)Why did God destroy Sodom? Part of the reason was also oppression. (Isaiah 3:9-15)

Furthermore, God's commandments also cater for the poor such as the year of Jubilee to free slaves and the 7th year Sabbath of the land for the poor to eat. (Ex 23:10-11). He also commanded the Israelites not to charge interests and also not to have slaves. If you open up your heart to read the bible in this perspective, you will realise that it really does cover a lot of social justice and poverty.

In the New Testament, God's laws are applied in our hearts. Hence we may not practice the year of Jubilee any more, but the concept remains of caring for the poor, and having a desire to see social justice done. Most people don't take these readings too seriously as they feel that they are still living decently and are not oppressing people. When people speak of oppression, we have images of a wicked landlord with a moustache, pot belly and an evil grin; images of slaves with their sweaty bodies pulling carts and doing manual labour etc and not getting paid. But in the New Testament, the same theme runs through. Jesus gave some analogies on how we should treat the poor. He was not just talking about the oppressors (i.e. landlords), but I believe that the concepts He was talking about can be applicable to us (relatively rich Christians) today. He was talking about the rich who saw people who were hungry, thirsty, naked, sick etc but didn't bother to help them.

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:43-46 19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell F112 from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
Luke16-19-25

There is no doubt that God is abundant in riches, the earth is the Lord's and all its riches. He is Jehovah Jireh, our provider. He is God of abundance. And He says that as we give to Him, good measure shaken together running over He will give back to us. Many times we play for blessings so that we can be "blessed to be a blessing". We must really be careful that we are good stewards of God's money. Indeed as we are blessed, we use the money that He blesses us with for His kingdom. I believe that we should all evaluate our lifestyles, whether there are certain expenses we can do without, or the latest fashion/ tech that we are chasing. Do we need these things in perspective of heaven? The truth is there is an opportunity cost for every decision we make with our money.Many of us enjoy life on earth too much that we are reluctant to go to heaven. Paul says in Galatians, to live is Christ, to die is life. He would rather go to heaven than stay here on earth. We must remember that many of the things we do here on earth are not eternal. They are merely preparation for heaven. If not, we will be looking for our rewards on earth rather than looking to the real treasures in heaven.

This is why I don't agree with the statement that as we know Christ more, we will not be poor forever. Not that I doubt God's abundance or His provision or His blessings. I have experienced that in my life for many times, especially with regards to the high salary I am getting now. But I also believe that God's promises will only be partially fulfilled here on earth. Hebrews 11 speaks of biblical heroes like Abraham who have not seen their promise being fulfilled in their lifetime, but yet that is what faith is-it is looking to God even when circumstances are opposite of His promises. The greatest news we can give to the poor is not that they will not be poor any more. The greatest news we can give them is that they may be poor here on earth but they will be rich in heaven, and that they must look to their eternal reward. I believe in helping the poor, I believe God calls us to bless them and give them hope, and here on earth, they can experience God's love. It is stupid to give an iffy concept of God's love when we don't show it with our actions, but people feel loved when their needs I met. So if I were to preach to the poor, I would demonstrate God's love by meeting their needs. I will pray for them and believe with them and give them capital and empower them to start their own business etc, because I believe in empowering the poor, in giving them hope and telling them that they can succeed in life as well too. But yet the world is fallen, and Abraham himself didn’t see God's promise being fulfilled on earth! Hence I would emphasise that they have an eternal reward that is much more important than their life here on earth.

When we tell the poor that they can be successful and be high achievers in life, how do we define success and does that equate being a high achiever? Does success equals to having lots of money, having a 5K salary and being able to drive a fancy car? Or does success mean something else in God's eyes? Are we conforming to the world's standard of success by preaching too much on being a high achiever and living a prosperous life? Romans 12 tell us not to be conformed to this world. I speak as a person from a relatively above average income family, hence I have no problems with my meals, clothes and accommodation etc. I don't wish to undermine how the poor feels. I don't wish to be philosophical and preach lofty ideas of going without food and just believing God for eternity. That's why I believe in demonstrating love through actions of giving food and money, but I think the church should challenge the mindset of the world, instead of conforming to the world's definition of success. In fact the poor need comfort that God's perspective of success is different and they would be comforted when they live in a community where there is sharing (church of Acts) as a demonstration of God's unconditional love

I believe in marketplace evangelism, that the environment we are in is our mission’s field. I am also inspired by characters like Daniel, Esther and Joseph who attained a high standing in their society and who were able to impact many lives. I have all along been blessed in my life in terms of studies and work, and I desire to impact society and that people will look at my life and see Christ in me. But all that must surely be balanced with eternity and obedience to Christ. The question is the motive. The greatest test of all is this question we ask ourselves, if we do become a high achiever and one day God calls us to give our all to Him, will we be willing? And also, how much percent of the blessings would we use to bless the poor and how much would we store up for ourselves, for our insatiable diet of gourmet, fashion and tech? And remember, we will not all end up being high achievers as I believe that being successful is merely a means to an end and not an end in itself. The chief end is that we may fulfil His calling and be part of building His kingdom on earth. And through what route would that be achieved? Who knows, maybe instead of being high achievers, we will go through much sufferings in our lives (yes God told us there will be trials and tribulations) and glorify God through our suffering. If only we would lay down our lives for each other, and then we truly glorify God through our love for each other, by living lives that are different from the world.